New Gods Part 2 Co-Writer Peter Rand (Ep 205)

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This is the Unstarving Musician podcast. I’m your host Robonzo. The podcast features conversations with me, indie music artists and industry professionals. And it’s all intended to help other indie music artists be better at marketing business, the creative process and all the other things that empower us to do more of what we love. make music. Hello, kittens. Thank you for joining me for another episode, it is a pleasure to be in your ears today. Or maybe you’re checking it out on the YouTube. Maybe you’re eating, even seeing a YouTube video with me actually, in it. I do that sometimes published these videos uncut versions, you can check those out on the Unstarving Musician YouTube channel, I’ll put a link in the show notes for you. If you’ve never seen that. Most of the things posted there are audio only. But there are some cases where I will publish the interview with the video that we did like the zoom video. So those can be fun. And again, they’re uncut. So they’re a little different. A lot of fun. I’m drinking a second cup of coffee here. I really should keep it to one. But I love coffee. It’s a ritual for me, the whole making of it. The drinking is pretty good. But the making that’s a ritual. All right, so my guest is Peter Rand. He’s a two time offender on the podcast. He made his first appearance in Episode 177. I’ll put a link in the show notes to that episode. Peter co wrote with me my latest release new Gods part two, which is now available on all the popular streaming platforms, including my band camp page Robonzo dot band camp.com. And you can also find links for new Gods Part Two on your favorite streaming [email protected]. Or you can listen to it right there. Peter is a user of the collaboration platform compose having contributed well over 800 tracks on that website, probably approaching 1000 plus. When I signed up for compose last year, his track new Gods was among the first that I heard. At the time it was keyboards only but I found myself going back to it. I thought I’m gonna contribute to this I like it. So I contributed to drum track via combos compose and eventually asking if we Peter and I could create a private collaboration to be published by yours truly. So we did. And new Gods Part Two was born. Peter and I talked about the early stages of the song, the contributions made by Steve Strom and Chris responding and myself, Steven Chris, are the other musicians you hear Steve on bass, and he’s kind of my vocal coach for harmonies, my harmonies coach and Chris respond to young guitars, and he’s the master engineer for the project. We talked about the cover art, which was also part of the collaboration in that I incorporated a piece by artist William Blake, which Peter used on his original demo track within compose. And I share some thoughts on releasing early demos exclusively for my insiders community. These insiders are folks who want to specifically follow my music journey. You can learn more about [email protected] forward slash insiders was great to catch up with Peter. One of these days I hope to go see him in person in the UK. Would that would be a lot of fun. dude’s a brilliant musician. Here’s me and Peter Rand.

3:47
Good to see you, man.

3:49
Aternd you. Yeah, I’m just trying to set, yeah it’s a bit, bit light. Anyway, that’s fine. So

3:53
You’re good. It makes you look angelic.

3:58
Well this’ll be the first, you know, first time for everything.

4:02
And looks like you’ve been just cranking out the music too. Is that right?

4:06
Yeah, I suppose. Yes. Well, yes. Yeah. The routine As always, if I can, you know, there’s lots of other stuff that never sees the light of day. But yeah.

4:16
Well, I am envious. I was looking over. I dropped into Kompoz in preparation kind of look. Back when we started working on new gods and new Gods part two together, and I was just kind of looking at looking at all the stuff you have, and I can’t tell. I couldn’t see if any of that stuff got how much of it got published. I’m sure some of it did. Have you published more since the last time I talked to you.

4:39
Yeah, this this, let’s think Well, I think last time I talked to her, I just got that album out. The first one. I mean, at the moment there’s, I think I say published I mean, you know, released into the wild a bit like this New Gods, apart from being on Kompoz. I’ve got a couple of things on the go at the moment, one of which is a second lot of songs, and then with various people singing, and then there’s, there’s two, there’s an instrumental album, possibly sometime in, you know, sort of proggy. And also just just started today, another proggy type of thing with people from Kompoz. So, you know whether anything comes from it’s always a bit of a bit of a lottery, but you never know.

5:32
Oh, yeah, well, a lot of cool stuff there for sure. Anyway, whether or not and you’ve done so much, I was kind of looking like, Oh, I wonder if our collaboration is in. I’m doing this because you had like a feed of like, song after song after song of like, showcase tunes and things that you’ve done.

5:49
Right. I haven’t changed that for years. I should have done that show can Kompoz that one?

5:56
Yeah.

5:58
Yeah, I started off changing that all the time. But once it got, I just thought, Oh, you know, that, you know, it’s too much hassle. And then of course, if you showcase that either from the point of view of diplomacy, if you showcase particular songs and move others off the showcase. You know, other people that you work with are like what’s happened to my one then?

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Yeah. Wow. Okay. So that old dated stuff there. And I talked to our friend at Kompoz, I’m blanking on his first name, the founder

6:31
Raf

6:32
Raf. Thank you. I’ve said it’s kind of like Rand, but it’s Rand. Raf yeah. He said a new, much to your chagrin I’m sure, a new version of the web platforms coming out pretty soon. I’d asked him, I pinged him a while back to say, Hey man, is there any way we can feature this thing? Or like, Can you help me kind of feature? Yeah, this thing that me and Peter did, but I didn’t really hear from him. But however, I have seen him on socials because Timothy Reed was on the podcast recently. And

6:59
Oh, yes, yes. Yes. I saw a bit of that. Thank you.

7:01
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

7:03
All of it, actually. Yes. Yes.

7:06
That was fun,

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As I got a mentioned, so I was happy about that.

7:09
Yeah, I think he led with you. So that was cool. That was cool. And, well, I’m glad you’re still doing a lot. I wanted to talk with you a little bit about the track that we completed new Gods part two. So I was kind of looking back at the beginning the genesis of it, which is new gods, did you? Yeah. Drop that track in there. And 2020

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I’m gonna have a look now at Kompoz, and then I’ll, I’ll find it. Just bear with me.

7:42
And I always tell the story, while you’re looking for that, you know I always tell the story that when I started looking to Kompoz, and some of the mobile sort of iterations of what they do, that other companies are doing. Kompoz was the, maybe the, one of the very first I went into and you’re track New Gods was one of the first things I encountered. I’m like, I really liked that. And I looked around some more, and I kept coming back to it. And I don’t know if I told you this, but so yeah, that’s why I was finally like, you know, I think, rather than pressure myself to write something alone, I’m gonna see if he wants to do this. So thanks for

8:19
That’s the beauty of Kompoz in a way and that, you know, you can you can rely on other people, hopefully that play better than you do to come along and make it sound a lot better. That’s, that’s really the point. But yeah, it was 2020 I’ve just, I’ve just found the original, it was 2020 This doesn’t exactly so 10 months and 22 days ago, so you can work that out, and that’s how old it is.

8:43
I’m going to write that down because I’m gonna work it out in the intro, but and I noticed that we had started let’s say 10 months and 22 days ago when we spoke

8:51
so it’s gonna be June so it’s gonna be what? June August ish?

8:57
Yeah, well then I didn’t find it too much later because in that yeah, that’s probably why because we started, I think we started our private collaboration October in early October and it did, and I was laughing gone got you know, you crank out so much stuff on there. I got this thing released. And I wasn’t working on releasing it super fast cuz I was trying some new marketing stuff, but May 27 this year 2021, I finally released it and then prior to that I was doing some stuff with Trackd on their platform to to get some get some a little bit of notice for it. But yeah, finally came out. And I also, you know, I was really struggling with the cover art for it. I wanted to incorporate the thing that you had in your original.

9:40
William Blake yeah

9:40
Yeah

9:41
That’s what it was. Yeah, yeah.

9:43
Yeah, yeah. And I had this idea for it and you know, my usual in my usual fashion, I tried to do it myself. But my, as much as I loved playing around in Adobe Illustrator, I could not, it’s just too much I would have spent hours learning how to do what I ultimately had done. So I got a little help with it. And yeah, finally finally decided on that so

10:07
Yeah, it’s absolutely fine that. Yeah, it includes a bit of William Blake in there. So yeah, the reason he was in there, well, not so much the main reason but we went to see him just before the first lockdown back in 2020 we, Jane my wife and I went to see an exhibition of his in London.

10:25
Really?

10:26
Of his you know, his work in London and that was really really good at the Tate in London. So it was really some you know, some some things I’d seen before some are totally new so it was but he was a weird and wonderful genius. Alright, very strange person but yes, weird and wonderful.

10:43
Yeah, I didn’t realize that.

10:46
And a poet as well of course

10:47
Really?

10:48
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

10:50
Actually, you know what I didn’t connect the to the name is familiar to me now, all of a sudden.

10:55
Tiger Tiger Burning Bright that one. And Jerusalem. You know, the hem Jerusalem. They were the words to that.

11:04
I do not, but I will go look at look for both of them now.

11:07
Well known in in this country certainly. You know, so yeah. He was interesting person. Definitely.

11:18
That’s cool. And how was the exhibit, you enjoyed it?

11:21
It was wonderful. It was really good. I mean, stuff that I you know, I was sort of vaguely familiar with but you know, we were able to get gun set sketches and things like that. Yeah, it was really good.

11:33
Wow, yeah. Good. So it’s not as random like a random selection of art that you chosen for that it was something that you, Well, obviously

11:41
It was just something I’d seen Yeah, something I’d seen that, I mean I’d seen it before that particular painting and I think that there’s a lot of he’s been used a lot on in albums in you know, bands, I think, well, the Strawbs used one of his on theirs. I think Uriah Heap probably did as well, but there you go.

12:01
Wow?

12:01
Yeah. So yeah, he’s you know, he fits in very well with a prog type of thing with all the weird and wonderful Fantastic Beasts and people that there are in there so yeah,

12:13
I definitely got that vibe when not the first time I saw it for for New Gods and so that’s cool. Yeah, I’m glad that we did that. I’m not you know, I tell everyone as I’m sure you’ve read it’s a nod. My nod to prog rock among a couple of other bands. When I definitely you are the prog right, your keys are the prog aspect of it. I think the rest of it except maybe I don’t know maybe the bass which and the guitar kind of followed the rest of it. I think it’s a straight rock the rest of it.

12:43
Well, yeah, it’s a well yeah, a lot of prog rock is just straight rock actually. I mean, it doesn’t all have to be you know, changing the tempo every 30 seconds. You know, the time signatures going on? I can’t do lots of time. Most of mine are in 4/4 anyway. So yeah.

13:01
Well, speaking of time signature, I wanted to tell you I don’t know if I shared this with you. So Chris, Raspante who played the guitars on it and and did the mix and mastering? Yeah, he’s my friend in Texas. He, you know, it’s like what the last one I gave him to see if he was interested in working with me. I just gave him I think now I’m trying to remember but I think I gave him a probably a drum and vocal tracks on top of on top of yours very raw, you know, which I’ll share at some point here in the future if you if you’re good with that, of course. But he so yeah, we start working on it. And you know, he’s liking it. And then he got to trying to figure out if for how he would solo in this area that I mentioned. And he’s like, Man, I’m just getting so messed up on the timing. I lose the one really quickly on where he was trying to do it. But he worked it out finally, and I thought it was kind of fun. The guy’s a consummate, I know what happens to everyone, sometimes. He’s a consummate musician. Great, a good grasp on theory, for sure. Maybe better than I realized. So it was kind of amusing for me that that he ran into that

14:11
Well I need somebody to have that, becauase I know my theory is because I my grasp on theory is very basic at best. I think so. Yeah. Especially when somebody asked me what chord’s that? And I’ll go, I don’t know

14:25
Well, thank you for getting for telling me what chords they were so I could share.

14:29
I had to work it out.

14:31
Wow, a labor of love.

14:33
Yeah, yeah, it wasn’t, you know, some people would just say, Oh, that’s a C major seventh, you know, augmented, whatever. But no, it’s I usually put them through this online chord analyzer or stuff like that you can you can use which tells you pretty much the name is damn it, what really what it is, and I usually deal with that because it’s a lot easier than having to figure it out. That’s said You know, this one’s here and that one’s there, because I’m looking at a screen, I can do it. If I play the keys, I can see what they are. But if you’re looking at some, you know, the screen, and it’s that one’s that’s an A that’s, you know,

15:13
I was doing that the other night, you know, I was about to say I hope to impress some of my friends at some point when I share those more, a little more widely. Maybe if I ever get to perform it live, I’ll share it with some poor soul that’s going to have to reproduce it.

15:25
Oh that’d be great.

15:25
I know. And I guess the chances are better than I would do it in the US. And have someone play your part for you then to fly there or fly you down, which I would love to do. But maybe one of them will happen.

15:39
I think I think flying me down might just be a tad expensive. Yeah. And then there’s a rider obviously. So yes,

15:48
exactly.

15:51
And also, I think you probably get a lot of I’m more of a I think you probably said last time I’m more of a composer than a performer. So I probably get it all wrong.

16:00
Well, well, I wondered, you know, I guess we’ll see what happens if I have the opportunity to do so. But I wondered, am I gonna have to hook someone up with him for some questions on on zoom or Skype?

16:12
Yeah, absolutely fine. Yeah. for that. Yeah. I guess I mean, you know, I was on a zoom call the other week. We were with our we’ve been had a couple of zoom calls the band that I sort of, we’re not really a band, but we play around every now and then playing covers of Strawbs songs. And we’ve had a couple of people in on the zoom calls, who are actually band members. So that’s been interesting. That’s been fun. But one of the one of the ones we had was with a chap called Blue Weaver who used to play keyboards with them, but also play keyboards with the Bee Gees at their height.

16:50
I’ll be darn.

16:50
I know. So he was, you know, if you can think of remember Jive Talking and all the sense on that, all that stuff that was him doing that so and then he’s got gold disc for it and everything. In fact, he showed us on this wall, you know, remotely, so that was that was very interesting that you know, and makes that’s that’s that’s, but still even he, you know, with his if you like background and lots of hits, he also play with Mott The Hoople. He also played with Amen Corner if you remember them.

16:51
Not the later no.

16:52
They were, you know, if you like another pop hit back in the late 60s, but, but he’s played with all these people. And even with with his stuff, I don’t think that with streaming is not earning. Sure. Hardly anything. Yeah. anymore. Sadly, yeah.

17:44
Yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine who was in a pretty big, big band, very big band in the 90s. Maybe part of the 80s. But somehow he’s still doing pretty good. I think. I had read a while back that artists that have, you know, started long ago and amassed a very popular catalogue that they’re actually doing okay. I think in comparison to like, you know, his my friend’s band in comparison to like the Led Zeppelin’s or, you know, these bands, The Beatles or whatever, definitely not. Not in that realm, but still pretty, pretty big. But But I don’t know all the different other facets of his business. And I think maybe they’re going to get some of the they’re going to get custody of some of their original recordings soon, which will be a whole new project for him, which will be fun, but yeah, I I am I don’t know if you’d seen you’re probably not on Twitter, much. At least I don’t think you are. But I shared a thing that Tom Jones and Mick Jagger and these other are those Stones and a lot of other big artists were asking was Parliament maybe to change the laws for music artists for streaming royalties? So yeah,

18:55
Yeah. We’ll see how it goes. Because it’s, you know, I’ve amassed, I’ve amassed an absolute fortune of $10.80 so far, this year, so I’m trying not to spend it all at once.

19:12
That’s pretty impressive, dude. Well I’ve been working with a gal, kind of a music marketing coach based out of the UK. And she could really just give a rat’s ass about streaming royalties. She’s kind of focused on other ways for musicians to make money. And she really built her audience online, too. So like, COVID was not even a thing for her. And, you know, I like asking people this question about like, how a while back, I was asking a lot like, How important was it for you to build an audience locally before you expanded outwards? But she, her reply was interesting. She goes, Well, you know, it wasn’t important for me because I did it all online.

19:51
Yeah, well, everywhere’s local there isn’t it? I suppose that’s the whole world is your local then

19:58
Yes, true.

20:01
But yeah, I suppose Yeah, traditionally, you’d want a local audience so that when you when you actually had something to release that all the people that were local would buy it, and then you’d have a bit of money, and then maybe they’d tell other people and so on. I suppose that’s how it used to work, isn’t it? But

20:19
It’s still a little bit of luck. But yeah, I mean, well, yes, selling your music was a very important part. And now, you know, you’re hearing the biggest performers say, If we’re not touring? We’re not, you know, making anything anymore.

20:31
Yeah, that’s right.

20:33
And I heard, and, you know, hope is true, and carries some merit in the argument, but that the technology has not really kept pace with this aspect of creators, you know, and then being able to survive, basically, or get compensated for what they do. But definitely, like, in my world, talking to all the indie artists, we, we really talk about a lot of other strategies, different types of strategies for for making money, sometimes making a genuine living. And a lot of times, just really, you know, funding your art and keeping the dream alive.

21:17
That’s, I mean, I’m not I’m not in it for the money. So I’m, you know, I mean, I would be if it was there, but it’s not. So

21:26
You never know

21:26
I still do it whether there’s money or not.

21:28
You never know when one of your tracks, man, by the way, I think that New Gods Part 2 is a great candidate, but you never know, when one of your tracks gets picked up for a sync that you know, licensing deal. And if that changes everything I hear

21:37
Oh, yes. Well, yes, we’ll say we’ll say, so I’m sure I’m sure if any, if anybody can do it, you can you can shove it along the way.

21:46
It’s definitely, but it’s definitely in the planning for sure. That one has, I don’t know if it’s true, but that one to me has, in my imagination has a lot more potential than my first song does. And but from the podcast, you know, I learned to keep track vocal-less version of everything in my possession for exactly that. And hey, if they take the whole song with vocals and everything great.

22:09
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if you know, somebody huge wants to take it up and run with it, I would, yeah, off you go. Absolutely. Just sign this.

22:19
Exactly. Exactly. My, you know, on a side note, related side note, I want to I still want to get you and I and Chris and Steve together for a chat sometime. I’m sorry, I haven’t followed up with that.

22:31
Ah it’s okay.

22:32
I was even thinking this week, I should let them both. And I just didn’t make the time to do it. But I’d like I should let them know, both know that we’re talking maybe one of them could pop on. But yes, I’ll still work on it. It’ll be fun. I have trouble getting Steve to come on. And talk with me with him knowing that we’re going to do something for the podcast, he just feels he has little to say which is funny. Because the guy is he’s got a great sense of humor. He’s very articulate very well read, probably the best most studied musician among us that were on the track. So he would be great. But yeah,

23:03
Well, yeah. Yeah. Cuz I would not so much, not like that in the sense of well studied,but certainly, I think well that’s why I sent you an email earlier. Do I need to prepare for this? You know.

23:19
I always want these to be casual. But I was a little surprised you had asked because we’d done it before. But it has been a while. But I get people a lot of times and they’re just trying to be you know, they’re trying to be two things. They’re trying to be highly professional, or they are nervous, and they just want to make sure that they know what’s gonna go down. But

23:36
I’m not trying to try, definitely nervous, always nervous when you do these, these things. Because it’s, you know, it’s just, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s new to me. I mean, obviously, I’ve done it before with you. And I’ve done it every week with, but there are people I know. And every day, and things like that. So but it is it is a strange, strange world. Like this, I must admit, but yeah, no, I’m used to it a bit.

24:02
Well, your episode was very, very popular, by the way that we did together.

24:07
Really? Well. It’s obviously me looks.

24:12
Well, and I was looking at my stats for the podcast. And I was like, hey, the episodes I did where I had had, I asked a couple of people to interview me, maybe I remember just two or three. So two episodes for sure. If they would interview me about my first release, I think. They were acquainted with me. And I was like those episodes did pretty well. That’s cool, so you know, maybe we’ll have the double push or pull effect of your popularity on my podcast and people wanting to know more about the songs.

24:43
Yeah, yes I’ll drag you down, don’t worry. I have no idea why that is. It’s not because I was. I wasn’t there. I didn’t have it on repeat all the time. Definitely.

24:56
Could be could be that Kompoz audience. I don’t know.

24:59
Actually, sorry, I, on a serious note, yes, I think that might have helped. Because I do put it there or do I think I might have put it there too. And I also put it on Facebook. And

25:09
You know I had never, I mean, I mentioned, I don’t post the audio in Kompoz. I had never thought of doing that, although, maybe I will this time. But you know, the episode goes everywhere that you can find audio pretty much and then promote it on social and Raf. Ralph knows about it. And of course you know about it. And I don’t know which one of you has more followers, but it looks like, looks like you guys got some attention?

25:39
Well, yeah, I don’t know. I can’t explain that. I don’t know.

25:46
I think you underestimate your popularity. I’ve seen…

25:49
I think, I think Timothy, he’s got lots of followers, especially in Japan, but the looks of it he’s very, you know, in the old phrase big in Japan, you know. He’s got that.

25:58
Huge in Japan.

26:00
Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. So, yeah, I’m, I’m not even top on the world, which is a little bit where I live. So I said, What’s it? Yeah. What is it John Lennon said about Ringo Starr? He’s not even the best drummer in the Beatles. So you know.

26:19
Was it him that said that? That’s hilarious.

26:20
I don’t know, whoever it was.

26:23
Well, probably right. Because Paul played quite a bit as well.

26:26
Yeah. Yeah. So.

26:28
He was the best drummer and the Beatles.

26:31
Yeah. So I mean, I said, well, it’s it’s, it’s all very good. And I like I like the fact that lots of people watched it. I’m not sure why they want to listen to me waffling on, but there you go. So it’s a you know, It’s it’s, it’s a it’s a mystery, in the words of Troy Wilcox.

26:49
Well, I’m always. I’m always pleasantly surprised. When an episode does well, when you look at the ones that are even like one of every pretty much every time I bet if I tell one guest he won’t be shocked. But of the other ones that have done really well. Maybe a couple actually, but of the ones that have done really well. The others, unlike yours are like yourself like that. So like I have this guy that did. He’s been in several episodes, but he was an episode one. Yeah. And he was in Episode 200. And a couple in between, but I always tell him, like, you know, you are the most played episode for my podcast on Spotify. And he’s like, that’s so weird.

27:29
Yes, it’s good. It’s good. I mean, you know, it’s good stuff. So you must get all these statistics, I suppose. You know, how many? How many? all the all the plays, how many episodes we had there.

27:42
Well, I passed 200 very recently, and I have I literally have about 10 that are unreleased that are were previously recorded. And because of the release of New Gods Part 2, I’m going to I’m going to go ahead and just have this one will cut in line, so to speak. So this one will be out a week from tomorrow, if all goes according to plan, but yeah. I don’t even, I always tell people lately that I have the luxury of not having to solicit any interviews because I constantly have now these days publicists coming to me and then the occasional individual band.

28:16
I should have got my publicist onto it. Really. Shouldn’t I?

28:20
You really should Peter we need to get this track we need to get some traction.

28:24
Yes, I’ll get my team to speak to your team. Shall I?

28:27
Sounds fantastic. So um, some closing thoughts I would love to hear your thoughts on New Gods Part 2, the final product especially on the guitar and bass contributions and anything else.

28:42
Well, I think (a) It sounds so much, I mean the final product the final version, it’s built up and built up and it’s got better and better I think. Certainly the guitar and bass have added something you know, which wasn’t there which was just me on the keyboard. Originally that was it and some I think some computery drums I think was originally there

29:02
Yeah, which you couldn’t find for me.

29:05
Yes. I yes in fact, I just I opened it there just just before this this zoom and I’ve, now I’ve got a new laptop now here, and one of the, one of the since I had for that one I don’t have any more so it’s it’s it complained that way that I was loading it so I couldn’t I’ve still got the track obviously with the with the separate file, but I haven’t got that since anymore, but never mind. But yes, the whole thing started off I quite was quite pleased with it in the first place. I’ll be honest, I’ve quite liked it myself. But it’s with your vocals and guitar and the bass on the mixing obviously. It sounds really good. It sounds really good. I mean, you know, if I was if I was doing an album I’ll be happy to have it on it. That sounds There you go. That’s That’s right. You can put that on the next to the five star and you know when it when it comes out In a blockbuster film.

30:01
We’ll use it on a testimonial on UnstarvingMusician.com. It’ll be as equally impactful.

30:06
Yeah. Five and a half stars out of three. That’d be great.

30:12
It’s going on there, I promise.

30:15
Yeah. I love it. I mean, obviously, it’s me involved in the music. So I’m not going to not like it, am I? But no the whole, it’s really made it a lot better the whole everybody else’s additions.

30:25
Yeah, I was so excited. And, you know, my wife’s reaction to the she got, kind of gets to hear the evolution of these things, obviously. Yeah, her reaction when I show it when I played her, probably the final mix was fun. The other thing I mean, it’s, I’ve been interested in these first two releases to like, listen to it around some other music to just see like, because, you know, when you’re listening to a track, and he’s like, yeah, does this sound after I play something else I really like? You know, in a mix?

30:52
Yeah, yeah.

30:53
And that’s been good. It’s been great. And I and then I got added to a playlist by a gal named JJ Lovegrove, who I met in this marketing course that I mentioned. She has a playlist supporting artists on Spotify. And I was listening to it in there. And I’m like, Wow, she’s got some really good artists on there. And it was, of course, it was of my own. My own contribution. I’m listening to the singing all the singers on there. I’m like, Oh, yeah, the quality of my song definitely drops because the vocals were just I’m kidding. I’m kidding us. I’m, you know, doing the usual self flatulation. But yeah, but But no, no, seriously. I mean, I, that was the one time I was like, Oh, yeah, you know, gives me something to strive for. So I can like, listen to myself next to these people and be cool with it. But I was super happy with the contributions that Steve and Chris did.

31:43
Oh, yeah.

31:44
I don’t think I told you. But while they may not seem like a lot, the backing parts that I sing the harmonies that I sang, Steve Strom, the bass, our bass player, he actually I’m calling him I don’t think he knows this, but I’m calling him my vocal coach, because in both sessions that I did, he’s basically writing parts on his software and sending them back to me with my in my own voice. But he’s changing the the intonations and things and, and so I almost nailed all of them. One of them I left as is I didn’t get it exactly as he had sent it. But it sounded good to me. And I’m like, yeah, I’m just gonna let that ride. But, but I’m really, I’m so lucky to have him as well for that, so.

32:27
Yes, so yeah. Because it really I mean, you know, as I said, it got it got better and better as it went on the various versions, I think, definitely.

32:37
I, on a closing note, I hope that you are okay with it. What I just started doing my first release was I’m kind of going back in time from the end, you know, to the beginning with demos, so I just released only to my inside crew, if you will, and I’m happy to share it with you as well. But and when I say inside crew, people that are like, subscribe to my email list. So I sent out an acoustic demo, one of the latter ones of the first release. And so I’ll keep going back. I have everything from the recording on my iPhone of me, you know, playing the guitar initial guitar idea. So I hope that we can do that with with New Gods Part 2.

33:15
Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. I’d be happy to.

33:18
Alright.

33:18
Yeah, it’s been it’s been nice to see you again and hear from you. And I think yeah, still the same room?

33:25
Yes. And I don’t know if you’ve heard me complaining. But after I recorded, I redid a section in the middle of new Gods Part 2 here. We just moved here. And it’s the last time I played in here, because neighbor came by to ask me to never do that again. So we’re already kind of planning to move and I’m like, Okay, I gotta, I gotta do this right next time and get in a space where I can play consistently.

33:52
Can’t you soundproof the place?

33:54
So I could, but there’s reason enough first to go ahead and find a place that’s a little more suitable.

34:01
Fair enough.

34:03
Anyway, great to talk with you, man.

34:04
Okay, yes. And you too, and you too.

34:08
You will be the first to know when the episodes about to drop, so to speak.

34:11
Okay. All right. Thank you very much. All right. And if you’re not doing so, already, I’d suggest you go and watch the remainder of Denmark against Belgium.

34:21
Okay.

34:23
No don’t really so right. Which just I was just looking at it to see what the score was in Belgium a winning 2-1, so there we go.

34:33
Thank you for the update.

34:34
That’s okay. I’ll speak to you soon.

34:36
For sure. Man. I hope we get to do something again sometime awesome. Absolutely. Yeah.

34:39
All right. Cheers.

34:40
Cheers.

34:41
Thanks a lot.

34:44
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