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ROBONZO: This is The Unstarving Musician’s Podcast.

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ROBONZO: I’m your host, Robonzo.

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ROBONZO: This podcast features conversations with me and indie music artists.

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ROBONZO: Conversations intended to help other indie musicians be better at marketing, business, the creative process, and all the other things that empower us to do more of what we love.

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ROBONZO: You may have heard me say in recent episodes that I was contemplating the launch of a subscription-based service of my own.

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ROBONZO: In this episode, I chat with three-time guest ROBONZO.

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ROBONZO: She’s a musician and songwriter, and I see her mostly as an educator and a source of inspiration.

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ROBONZO: She’s about to host the second annual Profitable Musician Summit, or Profitable Musician Summit 2019.

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ROBONZO: She recently published a book called The Musician’s Profit Path.

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ROBONZO: Her Women of Substance podcast is at 940 episodes, and she’s also host creator of the Female Entrepreneur Musician podcast.

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ROBONZO: We talk about the upcoming event, that Profitable Musician Summit 2019 and its opening party.

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ROBONZO: Also about stuff I just needed to know, such as tracking finances with apps, Spotify playlists, questions she discusses on her Female Entrepreneur podcast, and more.

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ROBONZO: So without further ado, here is me and Bree,

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ROBONZO: Okay, Syke, before we get to the interview on a production note, as a courtesy to you, the listener, apologies for the tropical bird sounds you’ll hear throughout the conversation.

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ROBONZO: As long as I’ve been podcasting, you’d think I’d know better than to leave the windows open while I record, no matter how nice the weather is outside.

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ROBONZO: And thank you, Bree, for being such a good sport about it.

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ROBONZO: Okay, now on with the interview.

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ROBONZO: I really appreciate you coming back on the show, and I feel lucky that I saw your email, but I suspect that you would have pinged me a couple of times until I responded, because I’m on your list, BREE NOBLE, and I get some cool emails.

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ROBONZO: I confess, I don’t get to all of them, but I just happened to open that one, and I’m sure it was the subject line that did it.

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ROBONZO: And I was happy for you because you’re about to do…

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ROBONZO: Is it the second annual Profitable Musician Summit?

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BREE NOBLE: It is the second annual, the 2019 version.

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ROBONZO: Yeah, I’m really happy for you.

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ROBONZO: I gather that means the first one went well.

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ROBONZO: I know when we talked after the first one happened that it went well, and I know that you’re going to tell me…

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ROBONZO: I’m guessing that you have bigger and better plans for it, for the 2019 version, which we’re going to talk about.

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ROBONZO: And the opening party, at the time of our recording here…

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ROBONZO: Here I go, future me talking.

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ROBONZO: I like to say future me.

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ROBONZO: I don’t know if I’m really future me when I say this, but so we’re recording on the 15th of March, and your episode’s going to publish on the 12th of April, but your opening party is…

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BREE NOBLE: April 22nd.

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ROBONZO: April 22nd.

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ROBONZO: That is going to be cool.

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BREE NOBLE: It’s Monday, April 22nd, at 8 p.m.

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BREE NOBLE: Eastern.

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ROBONZO: Tell me about the opening party, and then let’s get into what’s new, what’s going to be new with the Summit.

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BREE NOBLE: Absolutely.

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BREE NOBLE: So the opening party is really fun because we bring on some different guests, sometimes some of the speakers that are in the Summit to just kind of get a little bit more personal perspective from them.

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BREE NOBLE: Last year, we had a few of our speakers that really just talked about kind of the…

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BREE NOBLE: Because the whole Profitable Musician Summit is about making money as musicians, and so we had some speakers come on and talk about how they had money blocks and how they had mindset issues on even being able to be profitable as a musician.

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BREE NOBLE: So that was a really popular part.

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BREE NOBLE: And then we have a ton of giveaways, which is super fun, because I get to give stuff away live.

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BREE NOBLE: We use a random number generator, and we give away stuff from all of our speakers.

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BREE NOBLE: So we gave away things like a songwriting session with one of our speakers, people’s books, and mini courses that would normally cost $100.

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BREE NOBLE: Just really cool giveaways that make it super fun and exciting to be there live, because you might be the one that’s going to win.

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BREE NOBLE: So that’s my favorite part about the opening party.

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BREE NOBLE: It’s a logistic craziness for me, because we were like speakers coming in and out, and we were doing giveaways in between.

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BREE NOBLE: But actually, it went so much better than I thought it would.

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BREE NOBLE: It was pretty seamless, so it was really fun, too, just to be live for that time and get people all pumped up for what the summit’s going to be about.

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ROBONZO: And how does one get involved in the opening party?

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ROBONZO: Is it just a matter of registering for the summit?

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BREE NOBLE: Yes, so if you register for the summit, then of course we’ll tell you when it is and how to show up.

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BREE NOBLE: And we’re playing with maybe having…

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BREE NOBLE: We usually use Zoom to broadcast live on Facebook Live.

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BREE NOBLE: We may have let people come onto the Zoom call as well or go on Facebook Live.

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BREE NOBLE: If for whatever reason they don’t like Facebook Live, they can just be kind of live inside of the webinar that we have running where they can…

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BREE NOBLE: We’ll have a chat so people can ask questions of the speakers and we’ll celebrate with them when they’re the winners and that kind of stuff.

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BREE NOBLE: So it’s just…

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BREE NOBLE: It’s a really fun time.

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BREE NOBLE: And so if you can’t join us on the Zoom call, you can definitely come on to Facebook Live and it’ll be broadcast on our page and inside of our private group for the summit too.

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ROBONZO: Very nice.

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ROBONZO: And for those of you listening, we talked about the first annual Profitable Musician Summit back in episode 48 on this podcast, myself and BREE NOBLE.

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ROBONZO: And I confess, I’m one of those people who, I don’t know how many of us there are, but I stopped putting episode numbers where I can put episode numbers when I publish these.

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ROBONZO: But if you go to unstarvingmusician.com forward slash podcast, there is an episode number.

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ROBONZO: But you can also just go to that page and search for ROBONZO, and you’ll see episode 48 where we talked about the first one.

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ROBONZO: So you can hear what we discussed on that episode.

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ROBONZO: I think it would be worth a quick listen.

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ROBONZO: And let’s do that.

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ROBONZO: Let’s talk about the Profitable Musician Summit 2019.

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ROBONZO: And I guess let’s talk about it anew and for those who didn’t know about it last year.

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ROBONZO: And also, what’s different about it?

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ROBONZO: Why are you doing it again?

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BREE NOBLE: Oh, that’s a good question.

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BREE NOBLE: You know, I mean, when you finish something as monumental as a 10-day stomach, at the end you’re just like, how can I possibly do this again?

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BREE NOBLE: It is so overwhelming and draining, and is there really anything new to say?

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BREE NOBLE: And after you recover for a month, then you’re like, there’s so much more to say, and I can’t not do it again.

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BREE NOBLE: It was so fun and successful.

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BREE NOBLE: So, you know, last year we focused on streams of income.

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BREE NOBLE: So that was kind of the side of profit that we focused on.

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BREE NOBLE: Last year we had 40 speakers talking about 33 different streams of income that musicians could employ, because I really believe musicians need to diversify their income portfolio in order to, you know, be a, you know, have a really solid money-making career in 2019.

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BREE NOBLE: So this year, I was like, what can we do, you know, that is a little different from that?

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BREE NOBLE: And so I wanted to look at both sides of the profit equation.

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BREE NOBLE: I wanted to look at both increasing income and cutting expenses.

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BREE NOBLE: Because I think what happens with musicians is they’re so focused on income, and then it’s just really easy to hemorrhage money along the way without realizing it.

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BREE NOBLE: And then you get to the end of the year, and you do your taxes, and you’re like, oh my gosh, I made $500.

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BREE NOBLE: You know, when I take out all the money I spent on instruments or all the money I spent on a tour, or all this extra money that I spent on this album that I didn’t think I was going to have to spend, that kind of stuff.

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BREE NOBLE: So I wanted to, and me being an accountant, I have an accounting background.

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BREE NOBLE: I was a director of finance at an opera company.

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BREE NOBLE: And let me tell you, opera companies, it’s really easy to overspend.

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BREE NOBLE: So I definitely am very attuned to that tendency to overspend or just not want to look at the expense side and not want to face up to where you are accounting-wise.

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BREE NOBLE: Because a lot of times musicians, we want to focus on writing, and we want to focus on recording and performing, and we don’t want to have to go in and reconcile our bank or put things in QuickBooks and stuff.

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BREE NOBLE: So I wanted to provide some really practical sessions about that.

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BREE NOBLE: How can we set ourselves up to take as many tax deductions as possible, so we can save as much money there and keep more of our money?

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BREE NOBLE: How can we be able to do our accounting that we need to do as a business owner, but make it super easy and seamless and do it in 15 minutes a week?

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BREE NOBLE: That kind of stuff.

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BREE NOBLE: The stuff we have to do, but we don’t want to do, let’s make it easier for them.

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BREE NOBLE: So that’s the approach that I took this year of instead of just income streams, we’re going to make you a full-fledged CEO of your musician business, and we’re going to make you confident in that role and want to step in to that role as the entrepreneur and owner of your business.

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ROBONZO: That’s great.

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ROBONZO: So what a great topic.

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ROBONZO: I have to ask, there are a lot of musicians and non-musicians, small business owners.

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ROBONZO: I do consider them, they are very much the same.

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ROBONZO: I mean, musicians are small business owners if they’re independent artists, but non-music related small business owners who don’t pay attention to the expensive side of things or just, you know, they want to do their art or their service.

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ROBONZO: For musicians, what is your number one advice to shortcut to make it easier for yourself to be attuned to the expensive side until you maybe get more serious or have to get more serious and have a bookkeeper or an accountant or CPA?

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ROBONZO: What’s the best number one thing they can do just to start getting attuned to it?

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ROBONZO: Just not.

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BREE NOBLE: I would say setting up systems so you can do it on the fly and it doesn’t feel hard.

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BREE NOBLE: It’s just automatic.

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BREE NOBLE: So there’s so many great apps that can make it really easy for you while you’re on tour to keep track of what you need to keep track of.

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BREE NOBLE: I think what happens is we’ll go on a little mini tour for a weekend or for a week, and then we won’t do any of that stuff.

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BREE NOBLE: And we’ll come back and we’ll be like, okay, I’ll just reconcile it when I get home.

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BREE NOBLE: And then you get home and then you feel overwhelmed.

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BREE NOBLE: You feel this crushing weight of like, I know I need to do that, but instead we’ll do different stuff.

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BREE NOBLE: We’ll get involved in writing another song or networking with people you were with on tour.

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BREE NOBLE: And those are all really good things, but we’ll avoid doing the reconciliation.

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BREE NOBLE: And then pretty soon, it’s the end of the year.

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BREE NOBLE: And then you just feel completely crushed by it because you never reconciled any of it.

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BREE NOBLE: And it would take you days and days, and then you just like want to hide in a closet.

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BREE NOBLE: So if you set up, if you just take a little bit of time to think out like, what systems can I set up?

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BREE NOBLE: You know, do I want to use Banzoogle or MerchCat or something like that to keep track of my inventory?

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BREE NOBLE: And that’s something you can do with an iPad or a computer or a phone, you know, while you’re on tour, and literally take five minutes at the end of every show to do that, then you don’t have to worry about it later.

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BREE NOBLE: And same thing with like mileage and, you know, tracking, you know, any receipts that you spend on tour, just get one of those apps.

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BREE NOBLE: And some of our speakers in the summit talk about ones that they like, you know, apps that will keep your receipts for you, or you can even just take pictures with your phone.

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BREE NOBLE: Like, if you just have a system for this stuff, then you will actually do it, and you won’t avoid it.

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ROBONZO: That’s a good start.

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ROBONZO: So I’m a long-time Expensify user.

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ROBONZO: It’s an app.

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ROBONZO: I wouldn’t…

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ROBONZO: I’m guessing that there are so many new ones now.

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ROBONZO: It’s a great app, but I’m guessing that there are newer ones that are more…

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ROBONZO: the design of which are more conducive to the musician life.

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ROBONZO: But maybe not.

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ROBONZO: I don’t know, but I’ve been a long-time Expensify user, so that’s one you can check out.

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ROBONZO: I heard of some new ones I don’t have in front of me.

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ROBONZO: I heard of some new ones this week, though.

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ROBONZO: Do you have a favorite one for, say, like receipt or expense tracking?

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BREE NOBLE: You know, I don’t, because I…

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BREE NOBLE: Right now, I’m not touring, so I don’t have to worry about that stuff.

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BREE NOBLE: But I do know that some of our speakers inside the Summit mention ones that they like.

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BREE NOBLE: And even if it’s like, I just take a picture with my phone, someone even mentioned that, like, you know, that just making sure that you have that, because receipts, they degrade, you lose them.

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BREE NOBLE: Hopefully, you don’t lose them.

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BREE NOBLE: You try to keep them.

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BREE NOBLE: But at least if you have a picture, that will protect you for, you know, tax purposes, and it will also make sure that you’re keeping a record.

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BREE NOBLE: So just keep an album and your pictures on your phone of all your receipts.

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BREE NOBLE: And at least that is one step toward, you know, the right direction.

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ROBONZO: Yeah, and the beautiful thing about these apps is, like with Expensify, again, that’s kind of my…

00:17:07.440 –> 00:17:09.040
ROBONZO: Again, I saw three new ones this week.

00:17:10.260 –> 00:17:11.460
ROBONZO: But, I mean, it’ll…

00:17:11.720 –> 00:17:14.180
ROBONZO: I can snap photos of the receipts.

00:17:14.200 –> 00:17:20.340
ROBONZO: I can categorize them, put them in an expense report for, say, a tour, or just my annual expenses.

00:17:20.360 –> 00:17:21.520
ROBONZO: And I can track mileage.

00:17:22.320 –> 00:17:24.080
ROBONZO: I believe I can track mileage.

00:17:24.100 –> 00:17:27.720
ROBONZO: No, I have a different app for mileage, but there is some sort of mileage app in there.

00:17:28.140 –> 00:17:31.380
ROBONZO: But anyway, yeah, that’s a great suggestion.

00:17:31.380 –> 00:17:36.440
ROBONZO: And an easy one, an easy thing to tackle first if you’re bad at that particular part.

00:17:36.460 –> 00:17:45.280
BREE NOBLE: Yeah, and I mean, I want to be sure that people know, like, this entire summit is not about expense tracking and taxes and, like, boring stuff like that.

00:17:45.300 –> 00:17:48.180
BREE NOBLE: Okay, we have that in there because I feel it’s important.

00:17:48.740 –> 00:17:53.360
BREE NOBLE: And I’ve brought in experts on those things that aren’t even necessarily in the music industry.

00:17:53.380 –> 00:17:54.880
BREE NOBLE: Some of them are, and some of them aren’t.

00:17:55.940 –> 00:17:58.220
BREE NOBLE: They just work with small businesses or women.

00:17:58.220 –> 00:18:12.040
BREE NOBLE: But, I mean, we have all kinds of really great sexy topics, too, like, you know, how to make more from each band that you have or, you know, how to create your breakthrough records so you can make more money with your new albums.

00:18:12.100 –> 00:18:24.480
BREE NOBLE: And, you know, we’ve got, like, just tons of really great, like, marketing and, you know, how to make more money from your email list, like, all those kinds of things that you would expect from a summit like this.

00:18:24.500 –> 00:18:30.300
BREE NOBLE: But I’m also throwing in the things that maybe you don’t want, but I know that you need.

00:18:30.320 –> 00:18:33.960
BREE NOBLE: And hopefully people will take advantage of those as well.

00:18:34.320 –> 00:18:44.340
ROBONZO: Do you still run into a lot or many artists who are not doing as good a job as they could or should with their email list?

00:18:46.000 –> 00:18:46.460
BREE NOBLE: Oh, yeah.

00:18:46.840 –> 00:18:47.760
BREE NOBLE: Oh, yeah.

00:18:47.840 –> 00:18:49.720
BREE NOBLE: So one of our speakers is Cheryl B.

00:18:49.740 –> 00:18:52.640
BREE NOBLE: Engelhardt, and I actually just did a workshop with her.

00:18:53.740 –> 00:18:57.020
BREE NOBLE: And, you know, she did some polls along the way.

00:18:57.040 –> 00:19:01.760
BREE NOBLE: And I’d definitely say most people said, like, I have an email list, but I don’t engage it.

00:19:02.540 –> 00:19:05.580
BREE NOBLE: I’m overwhelmed by the idea of it.

00:19:06.560 –> 00:19:09.120
BREE NOBLE: And some people were like, I’m not sure why I need one.

00:19:09.160 –> 00:19:10.540
BREE NOBLE: Does this really make me money?

00:19:10.560 –> 00:19:11.440
BREE NOBLE: You know, that kind of stuff.

00:19:12.400 –> 00:19:20.360
BREE NOBLE: So absolutely, you know, some people have been seduced by the idea that nobody reads email anymore and email is dead, and I don’t believe that at all.

00:19:21.240 –> 00:19:23.280
BREE NOBLE: Obviously, you just told me you read my email.

00:19:23.300 –> 00:19:26.700
BREE NOBLE: So I know that people read emails, right?

00:19:26.760 –> 00:19:34.120
BREE NOBLE: So it’s not something you’re going to get rid of because you have a lot of official things that you need to respond to.

00:19:34.140 –> 00:19:38.340
BREE NOBLE: Like, it would be like saying, I’m going to take down my mailbox, you know, in my yard.

00:19:39.060 –> 00:19:42.820
BREE NOBLE: Like, nobody does that, because you still need to receive some things by mail.

00:19:43.860 –> 00:19:45.200
BREE NOBLE: And same thing with email.

00:19:45.220 –> 00:19:58.880
BREE NOBLE: So yeah, that’s a big one, and I’m really glad Cheryl is on the summit because that’s something that a lot of artists are not utilizing to its fullest potential.

00:19:59.820 –> 00:20:03.740
ROBONZO: Yeah, I asked because I ran into this too.

00:20:04.100 –> 00:20:04.560
ROBONZO: Well, cool.

00:20:04.960 –> 00:20:07.960
ROBONZO: I’m glad that that’s a great topic.

00:20:13.320 –> 00:20:29.520
ROBONZO: And then is the formula, and I don’t think this is a bad thing if your answer is yes, is the formula for this year’s summit pretty much the same as last year’s, or did you already decide you’ve got to shake it up some and do it differently?

00:20:31.080 –> 00:20:35.220
BREE NOBLE: I mean, I’d say it’s pretty much the same because people loved that format.

00:20:35.480 –> 00:20:53.320
BREE NOBLE: You know, they loved, you know, we’re doing anywhere from three to five speakers a day for the 10 days, and you know, they get 48 hours access to those for free, so they can totally binge watch everything if they want.

00:20:54.540 –> 00:21:02.560
BREE NOBLE: Of course, we’ve got, you know, the option to grab the whole thing at a very, very reasonable price, considering the speakers that we have.

00:21:02.580 –> 00:21:13.880
BREE NOBLE: You know, some of them are like, you know, thousands of dollars to, you know, consult one-on-one with artists or, you know, their courses are at least $1,000 each.

00:21:13.900 –> 00:21:16.500
BREE NOBLE: You know, so you’re getting really high quality.

00:21:17.360 –> 00:21:32.920
BREE NOBLE: I would say we’ve got the same formula as last year with even better, more high-profile, in-demand speakers, more of a variety of, obviously, topics under the profit umbrella.

00:21:34.220 –> 00:21:40.860
BREE NOBLE: But, you know, overall, the summit format is the same, and it’s, you know, we’ve got a Facebook group.

00:21:40.880 –> 00:21:49.000
BREE NOBLE: People loved being in there, being able to talk about the sessions and stuff, and some of our speakers were in there, actually responding personally to questions people had.

00:21:49.000 –> 00:21:54.540
BREE NOBLE: And so we’re definitely doing that again.

00:21:54.580 –> 00:21:58.540
ROBONZO: On the Facebook group, I’m happy to hear that people like it so much.

00:22:00.440 –> 00:22:02.280
ROBONZO: I am not crazy about them personally.

00:22:02.420 –> 00:22:03.680
ROBONZO: I think I’m in a minority.

00:22:03.760 –> 00:22:04.400
ROBONZO: Maybe I’m not.

00:22:05.320 –> 00:22:16.960
ROBONZO: And I’m just curious if there’s ever been discussion at your camp for doing your own forums, or if just Facebook is too easy and everyone’s there, so no.

00:22:17.560 –> 00:22:19.020
BREE NOBLE: I mean, I think that’s the answer.

00:22:19.040 –> 00:22:25.360
BREE NOBLE: I mean, you’re talking to somebody that has a Facebook group for female musicians with over 3,500 people.

00:22:25.380 –> 00:22:27.500
BREE NOBLE: So I believe in Facebook groups.

00:22:27.780 –> 00:22:30.260
BREE NOBLE: You know, people utilize it all the time.

00:22:32.660 –> 00:22:41.900
BREE NOBLE: You know, it’s to the point in that group where I have a community manager that’s in there, you know, several hours a week helping them.

00:22:41.920 –> 00:22:54.060
BREE NOBLE: So it’s definitely, for the right audience, Facebook groups are awesome, and for the summit, you know, it’s only a 10-day, or it’s a pop-up group for the summit.

00:22:54.860 –> 00:22:56.840
BREE NOBLE: So it’s not like they’re going to spend their life there.

00:22:58.780 –> 00:23:02.160
BREE NOBLE: But it’s, like you said, it’s where people are.

00:23:03.280 –> 00:23:09.340
BREE NOBLE: It’s easy for them to be, and for people to go log in to another forum, I just think is too much of a barrier.

00:23:10.980 –> 00:23:14.200
BREE NOBLE: They might do it the first day or two, and then they will forget.

00:23:14.220 –> 00:23:23.260
ROBONZO: Yeah, I mean, it’s certainly easy to go to, unless you’re just one of those people who detests Facebook.

00:23:23.540 –> 00:23:28.040
ROBONZO: A lot of us do and are still there, but yeah, I can see that.

00:23:28.060 –> 00:23:28.600
ROBONZO: Do you ever…

00:23:29.600 –> 00:23:31.680
ROBONZO: I’m a little off topic, and forgive me, but do you ever…

00:23:32.840 –> 00:23:39.220
ROBONZO: Do you get much thought to a contingency, lest Facebook do something near that completely disrupts your ability to use those groups?

00:23:39.240 –> 00:23:41.460
ROBONZO: Like, okay, what’s Plan B for…

00:23:41.800 –> 00:23:42.260
BREE NOBLE: Oh, yeah.

00:23:42.280 –> 00:23:48.220
BREE NOBLE: I mean, that’s why I’m trying to get people, you know, as many people onto my email list as possible, because absolutely.

00:23:48.240 –> 00:23:57.340
BREE NOBLE: I mean, just the other day, Facebook was really down for a while on Wednesday, and it was super frustrating.

00:23:57.760 –> 00:24:00.280
BREE NOBLE: But, you know, I don’t think that it’s…

00:24:00.500 –> 00:24:14.180
BREE NOBLE: Facebook is suddenly going to delete my group, but, you know, if it happened, I’ve been putting in contingency plans all along the way to get people over to my email list because I do obviously want to be able to continue to communicate with them.

00:24:14.500 –> 00:24:16.540
ROBONZO: Yeah, smart, smart, of course.

00:24:17.120 –> 00:24:25.400
ROBONZO: I wanted others to think about that, and this is why I asked the question, and also was curious to hear if you had some specialized strategy.

00:24:25.420 –> 00:24:37.040
ROBONZO: But you know what, you have the obvious contingency and just ongoing thing of driving people to your site and your email list, which is fantastic.

00:24:37.060 –> 00:24:39.460
ROBONZO: So something else is a couple of other things.

00:24:40.700 –> 00:24:46.140
ROBONZO: Big have happened for you since we last spoke on the podcast.

00:24:46.560 –> 00:24:51.020
ROBONZO: And that is you published a new book, and I’m going to say the whole title.

00:24:51.040 –> 00:24:51.960
ROBONZO: I have it right here in front of me.

00:24:54.140 –> 00:24:58.300
ROBONZO: That way I can just feel, everyone can feel how it resonates.

00:24:58.320 –> 00:25:08.180
ROBONZO: But it’s The Musician’s Profit Path, the five-stage blueprint to create massive growth in your fan base and sustainable income for your music career.

00:25:10.840 –> 00:25:11.580
ROBONZO: And it’s available on Amazon.

00:25:11.600 –> 00:25:12.320
BREE NOBLE: Yep, that’s it.

00:25:13.380 –> 00:25:16.140
BREE NOBLE: It is on Amazon, and it’s exciting to be an author.

00:25:16.140 –> 00:25:20.180
BREE NOBLE: Like, I never thought I’d be an author, except of songs.

00:25:20.320 –> 00:25:25.100
BREE NOBLE: But, you know, but it was actually, it was a really fun process.

00:25:25.120 –> 00:25:28.000
BREE NOBLE: It was a really labor-intensive process.

00:25:28.500 –> 00:25:42.220
BREE NOBLE: But I’m glad it’s out there now, because I just think that it’s information that musicians need so they don’t feel so overwhelmed by the process of growing their career.

00:25:42.240 –> 00:25:54.840
BREE NOBLE: They have more of a step-by-step blueprint of what they should be doing and when, and mostly so they don’t get sidetracked and distracted by all these shiny objects that they see other musicians doing.

00:25:55.300 –> 00:26:04.880
BREE NOBLE: I want them to stay focused so they can actually move forward, because I see so many people paralyzed by all the choices and all the strategies.

00:26:05.080 –> 00:26:11.120
BREE NOBLE: And so a lot of times they’re like, they go one direction for a little bit and then they’re like, oh, you know what, I should be doing this other thing.

00:26:11.140 –> 00:26:13.680
BREE NOBLE: It looks more successful or I see this other person doing it.

00:26:14.180 –> 00:26:17.120
BREE NOBLE: And then they’re just kind of like spinning in circles.

00:26:18.160 –> 00:26:23.240
BREE NOBLE: So this will help them actually make progress, which is what I really want to see for musicians.

00:26:26.380 –> 00:26:36.920
ROBONZO: I’m going to make sure it is, I told you before we hit the record button, that I’m pretty sure it is in my library.

00:26:36.940 –> 00:26:40.160
ROBONZO: So it’s only on Kindle right now or is there a print version?

00:26:40.180 –> 00:26:42.120
BREE NOBLE: No, the paperback is out.

00:26:42.140 –> 00:26:47.720
BREE NOBLE: It took a little extra effort and love and formatting, but I finally got the paperback out.

00:26:48.000 –> 00:26:51.560
BREE NOBLE: It’s been out a few weeks and it’s been a great response.

00:26:51.580 –> 00:26:57.300
BREE NOBLE: Some people, I mean, I actually have at the end of every section, I have a checklist that you can actually check off.

00:26:58.200 –> 00:27:02.380
BREE NOBLE: So I think some people just really like to highlight the paperback.

00:27:02.400 –> 00:27:08.080
BREE NOBLE: They like to actually check it off as they finish up each section and each step of the blueprint.

00:27:08.540 –> 00:27:13.040
BREE NOBLE: So they can be like, you know, the feeling of checking things off a list is so awesome.

00:27:13.640 –> 00:27:15.020
BREE NOBLE: And you can’t do that with a Kindle.

00:27:15.040 –> 00:27:26.060
BREE NOBLE: So if you like doing that, if you like reading in places where you don’t have your device, then get the paperback, because it’s not a super long read.

00:27:26.080 –> 00:27:29.780
BREE NOBLE: I think it’s 115 pages or something like that.

00:27:30.820 –> 00:27:32.200
BREE NOBLE: But it’s basically a manual.

00:27:32.220 –> 00:27:37.000
BREE NOBLE: And I tell people at the beginning of the book, like, this is how to use this book.

00:27:37.020 –> 00:27:44.400
BREE NOBLE: I suggest you read through the whole thing, or at least skim it to get an idea of what’s ahead of you and where you’re going.

00:27:45.000 –> 00:27:56.560
BREE NOBLE: But then go back to the stage that you’re in right now, which I help you determine what stage you’re in, and go through and do the steps one at a time and check them off, and then go on to the next one.

00:27:56.580 –> 00:28:00.820
BREE NOBLE: Don’t get distracted by, oh, I need to do these things in stage four, even though I’m in stage two.

00:28:00.840 –> 00:28:02.260
ROBONZO: Yeah, cool.

00:28:02.280 –> 00:28:09.020
ROBONZO: Do you think you’ll do an audio version of any type, whether it’s on Audible or…

00:28:09.860 –> 00:28:10.940
BREE NOBLE: I’ve thought of that.

00:28:10.940 –> 00:28:17.820
BREE NOBLE: I’m not sure it’s the right kind of book for Audible, because it’s more like a manual.

00:28:17.980 –> 00:28:21.900
BREE NOBLE: It’s tactic-oriented, and you shouldn’t be…

00:28:22.040 –> 00:28:25.440
BREE NOBLE: Like I said, you should read the whole thing through, but more like a skimming.

00:28:26.240 –> 00:28:30.660
BREE NOBLE: So I’m not sure that an audio book would be the right way to go with this one.

00:28:30.680 –> 00:28:35.600
BREE NOBLE: I’ve definitely thought about it because I love audio books, but I think as of now, I’m not going to go that direction.

00:28:36.300 –> 00:28:47.460
BREE NOBLE: You know, if they want an audio version, they can come to my free master class at musiciansprofitpath.com, and I go through the whole thing on a webinar.

00:28:48.500 –> 00:28:50.640
BREE NOBLE: So that’s probably maybe my audio version.

00:28:52.320 –> 00:28:53.700
ROBONZO: Do you do that on Teachable as well?

00:28:54.060 –> 00:28:55.620
ROBONZO: I know that’s sort of a no.

00:28:56.180 –> 00:29:00.420
ROBONZO: Well, you know what, there’s probably some musicians listening that want to do all this stuff, so these are good questions.

00:29:02.060 –> 00:29:05.520
BREE NOBLE: So I love Teachable, and that’s what I actually use for my academy.

00:29:05.540 –> 00:29:12.360
BREE NOBLE: So all the academy members, the Female Musician Academy members, they have a Teachable site, and all the training is in there.

00:29:12.380 –> 00:29:18.220
BREE NOBLE: But just for the master class itself, it’s just available for anyone that wants to go through it.

00:29:18.680 –> 00:29:25.520
BREE NOBLE: It’s on every webinar, so they just go and register, and they can pick a time to go through the master class.

00:29:28.380 –> 00:29:29.300
ROBONZO: Is this your first book?

00:29:31.280 –> 00:29:32.300
BREE NOBLE: It is my first book.

00:29:33.360 –> 00:29:36.560
BREE NOBLE: When you get done with a book, you’re like, my first book and my last book.

00:29:36.580 –> 00:29:37.660
BREE NOBLE: It’s so much work.

00:29:37.680 –> 00:29:41.280
BREE NOBLE: But then later on, I know I’ll be like, okay, I have another book in me.

00:29:41.820 –> 00:29:47.300
BREE NOBLE: Probably a book about productivity and goal setting and stuff like that, but maybe not till next year.

00:29:47.320 –> 00:30:08.720
ROBONZO: I think I published my book in 2016, and I’ve done an e-book, a slightly revised version, but I just signed myself up with a couple of entrepreneur friends for a mastermind group.

00:30:08.820 –> 00:30:21.840
ROBONZO: They’re both on a similar trajectory of wanting to start planning a launch for their books.

00:30:22.940 –> 00:30:25.020
ROBONZO: And I believe both of them have already published.

00:30:26.060 –> 00:30:35.200
ROBONZO: And I told them, you know, I don’t even know if during this mastermind we do, I’ll be writing my next book, but I would love to do a second edition of the one we have.

00:30:35.980 –> 00:30:38.500
ROBONZO: But yeah, to your point, you know, you write one.

00:30:39.920 –> 00:30:48.960
ROBONZO: I definitely, I set myself up to do more than one, but you know, all the podcasts and other things have let things get in my way.

00:30:48.980 –> 00:30:49.760
ROBONZO: But that’s cool.

00:30:49.780 –> 00:30:50.520
ROBONZO: Congratulations.

00:30:50.740 –> 00:30:52.620
ROBONZO: Wow, something I beat ROBONZO to.

00:30:52.640 –> 00:30:53.460
ROBONZO: This is amazing.

00:30:56.840 –> 00:30:57.420
ROBONZO: That’s great.

00:30:57.520 –> 00:30:59.860
ROBONZO: Now if I can just get my second book before you get yours.

00:31:00.600 –> 00:31:02.300
BREE NOBLE: Oh man, there’s your motivation.

00:31:05.180 –> 00:31:05.780
ROBONZO: That’s great.

00:31:05.800 –> 00:31:14.860
ROBONZO: So you did yours under the new, I think you probably did yours entirely under the new Kindle Direct Publishing where they moved from BREE NOBLE’s.

00:31:15.260 –> 00:31:15.800
ROBONZO: That’s cool.

00:31:15.820 –> 00:31:17.200
ROBONZO: I see I have to face all that.

00:31:17.840 –> 00:31:22.280
ROBONZO: I moved my stuff over, but now I feel like I’m going to be learning something new.

00:31:27.120 –> 00:31:39.340
BREE NOBLE: Well, I’ll tell you that creating the cover part is different because I had my cover created by my designer, and then I went to go put it in there, and it’s like, oh, this is not the right aspect ratio for what they need and all that stuff.

00:31:39.360 –> 00:31:41.480
BREE NOBLE: So I had to get that reformatted.

00:31:42.500 –> 00:31:48.340
BREE NOBLE: I think it had just switched over, I mean, within a month of when I had to put it in there.

00:31:48.460 –> 00:31:53.120
ROBONZO: So did they change it on you from when you started what you thought you needed, and then when it switched over to…

00:31:53.320 –> 00:31:58.720
BREE NOBLE: No, I think it was just that my designer was used to create space, so she gave me what she thought I needed.

00:32:00.340 –> 00:32:00.940
ROBONZO: It’s her fault.

00:32:04.040 –> 00:32:05.780
ROBONZO: Well, and let’s see.

00:32:05.800 –> 00:32:08.240
ROBONZO: Are there cool things?

00:32:08.580 –> 00:32:13.940
ROBONZO: 511 episodes, if not 12, of Women of Substance radio podcast.

00:32:13.960 –> 00:32:17.180
ROBONZO: Sorry, I don’t know, that’s probably not exactly what you call it, but I had to say both.

00:32:17.580 –> 00:32:20.600
ROBONZO: But 511 episodes of the podcast, that’s pretty amazing.

00:32:21.460 –> 00:32:22.960
BREE NOBLE: Did you say 511?

00:32:22.960 –> 00:32:23.280
BREE NOBLE: No.

00:32:23.500 –> 00:32:26.480
BREE NOBLE: I’m on 940.

00:32:26.700 –> 00:32:27.220
ROBONZO: Dang.

00:32:27.240 –> 00:32:28.040
ROBONZO: Okay, well, hold on.

00:32:28.940 –> 00:32:32.300
ROBONZO: Let me, I have to look and see.

00:32:32.320 –> 00:32:35.360
BREE NOBLE: If it says something on my website, I probably just haven’t updated it.

00:32:35.380 –> 00:32:39.440
BREE NOBLE: But if you go to wospodcast.com, we’ll show you the most recent episode.

00:32:39.480 –> 00:32:41.060
ROBONZO: Oh, I know what I looked at.

00:32:41.080 –> 00:32:43.800
ROBONZO: Oh, and it’s probably just the first thing that came up.

00:32:44.520 –> 00:32:45.400
ROBONZO: I went to YouTube.

00:32:46.080 –> 00:32:47.760
ROBONZO: It says, Listen on YouTube.

00:32:47.780 –> 00:32:52.440
ROBONZO: And I’m like, just assuming I’m looking at the latest episode, which I don’t know why.

00:32:52.520 –> 00:32:53.860
ROBONZO: I’m not sure why it’s showing me that one.

00:32:53.880 –> 00:32:54.600
ROBONZO: So how many episodes?

00:32:55.840 –> 00:32:57.460
BREE NOBLE: 940 today.

00:32:57.480 –> 00:32:58.780
ROBONZO: That is amazing.

00:32:58.800 –> 00:32:59.640
ROBONZO: Congratulations.

00:33:00.580 –> 00:33:01.520
ROBONZO: We were just talking.

00:33:02.520 –> 00:33:03.520
ROBONZO: We were just talking.

00:33:04.340 –> 00:33:11.920
ROBONZO: Just when we started our call this morning, I was telling you, oh, I need to make plans for my 100th episode.

00:33:14.380 –> 00:33:15.800
ROBONZO: But that’s really cool.

00:33:17.760 –> 00:33:21.800
ROBONZO: I know we talked about this a little bit in our prior conversation.

00:33:21.820 –> 00:33:31.480
ROBONZO: And by the way, congratulations for being the second artist and educator to be on this podcast three times now.

00:33:32.160 –> 00:33:35.580
ROBONZO: You and Mike Dawson, who I was talking about for the 100th episode.

00:33:36.380 –> 00:33:39.440
BREE NOBLE: I forgot it had been three times.

00:33:39.460 –> 00:33:43.260
BREE NOBLE: I forgot we had one, and then we did one about the Summit, and now here we are again.

00:33:43.280 –> 00:33:44.720
ROBONZO: Yeah, I know.

00:33:44.800 –> 00:33:48.980
ROBONZO: Well, you know, when you contacted me sometime after, I’m like, oh, I was going to be the third time.

00:33:49.000 –> 00:33:49.360
ROBONZO: That’s cool.

00:33:49.380 –> 00:33:51.640
ROBONZO: And then today I was like, is this going to be the third?

00:33:52.120 –> 00:33:52.840
ROBONZO: So I’ve forgotten.

00:33:54.100 –> 00:33:54.820
ROBONZO: Yeah, that’s cool.

00:33:54.840 –> 00:33:55.720
ROBONZO: I mean, it’s cool for me.

00:33:55.880 –> 00:34:06.920
ROBONZO: And I don’t know if you have someone helping you these days, like a producer or co-producer that helps you fair it out or line up guests.

00:34:08.040 –> 00:34:16.480
ROBONZO: I would imagine that closing in on a thousand episodes, they’re coming to you a little bit faster than they did one day once upon a time, which is happening to me.

00:34:16.500 –> 00:34:28.080
ROBONZO: But however, as you know or can at least recall, if there was a time, but there isn’t anymore, that getting quality guests takes time and effort.

00:34:34.400 –> 00:34:41.520
ROBONZO: And I avoid asking people to come on again for the sake of plugging in a guest, because out of like, I need a guest.

00:34:42.100 –> 00:34:50.880
ROBONZO: So I guess I’m trying to say there’s a lot of value in your being here a third time.

00:34:52.280 –> 00:34:53.060
BREE NOBLE: Well, thank you.

00:34:53.080 –> 00:34:53.880
BREE NOBLE: I appreciate that.

00:34:53.900 –> 00:34:55.200
BREE NOBLE: And I mean, it’s true.

00:34:55.220 –> 00:34:59.520
BREE NOBLE: I mean, with Women of Substance, that’s a music podcast like where we play music.

00:34:59.540 –> 00:35:04.460
BREE NOBLE: So we have a review board process for that, and that’s like all set in place, which is great.

00:35:04.480 –> 00:35:07.340
BREE NOBLE: And I get tons of submissions.

00:35:07.360 –> 00:35:09.340
BREE NOBLE: I don’t have to worry about looking for music.

00:35:09.840 –> 00:35:18.960
BREE NOBLE: And then for the FEM podcast, it’s definitely true that once you establish yourself, people are contacting you all the time.

00:35:18.980 –> 00:35:21.840
BREE NOBLE: But on the other hand, there are a lot of people that aren’t a good fit.

00:35:21.860 –> 00:35:24.680
BREE NOBLE: I get people who don’t like pay attention.

00:35:25.260 –> 00:35:27.820
BREE NOBLE: You know, female entrepreneur musician.

00:35:27.860 –> 00:35:29.840
BREE NOBLE: Like, are they not looking at that?

00:35:30.140 –> 00:35:31.820
BREE NOBLE: I get female entrepreneurs.

00:35:32.500 –> 00:35:36.540
BREE NOBLE: You know, somebody’s pitching for them, and they’re contacting me all the time.

00:35:36.560 –> 00:35:38.060
BREE NOBLE: Or same thing with women of substance.

00:35:38.080 –> 00:35:41.440
BREE NOBLE: Like, they think, oh, my client is a woman of substance.

00:35:41.460 –> 00:35:44.180
BREE NOBLE: They don’t look at it to see, oh, it’s a music podcast.

00:35:44.580 –> 00:35:52.820
BREE NOBLE: And so I’m constantly getting people that are like, oh, my client wrote this book about, I don’t know, something, some self-help thing.

00:35:53.720 –> 00:35:57.400
BREE NOBLE: And I just write back to them and say, you might want to check before you pitch.

00:35:57.420 –> 00:35:58.800
BREE NOBLE: This is a music podcast.

00:35:59.500 –> 00:36:01.020
ROBONZO: Yeah, you desperate publicist.

00:36:04.400 –> 00:36:14.500
BREE NOBLE: No, I mean, I just kind of irritated by that because that person is paying this person to get them, you know, podcast gigs, and they’re not being, they’re not doing the research.

00:36:15.160 –> 00:36:23.020
ROBONZO: It’s like our mutual friend, Dee Grant Smith, would say, you know, read and know something about the person you’re contacting.

00:36:23.300 –> 00:36:24.040
BREE NOBLE: Oh, my God.

00:36:26.400 –> 00:36:39.680
BREE NOBLE: Every time that Dee and I get on this subject, we can just like go on a rant because of that, because we both get a lot of that all the time, because he has a radio show, and I had an online radio station, and now it’s a music podcast.

00:36:39.700 –> 00:36:44.280
BREE NOBLE: And so we just get publicists contacting us like crazy.

00:36:44.900 –> 00:36:53.620
BREE NOBLE: And so many bad, bad communications that are just all about what’s in it for them and not what’s in it for us.

00:36:54.060 –> 00:36:54.440
ROBONZO: Yeah.

00:36:55.560 –> 00:36:56.600
ROBONZO: Newbies, I guess.

00:36:58.360 –> 00:37:00.520
ROBONZO: But that’s cool.

00:37:03.360 –> 00:37:14.580
ROBONZO: So closing in on a thousand episodes and having done almost 950 already, what, if anything, news in the works for the podcast?

00:37:15.220 –> 00:37:18.920
ROBONZO: Or are you just like, I can’t even think about that, I gotta focus on the sun?

00:37:20.200 –> 00:37:26.680
BREE NOBLE: Yeah, I mean, Women of Substance, because it’s a music, we’re playing music from indie artists.

00:37:27.140 –> 00:37:31.020
BREE NOBLE: So it’s pretty much the same format every time, and people love it.

00:37:31.220 –> 00:37:42.680
BREE NOBLE: People tune in, it’s just like people listen to train tracks on SiriusXM, or they listen to the Top 40 or whatever, they’re expecting a certain thing.

00:37:42.740 –> 00:37:49.520
BREE NOBLE: And so we have this format, we tell a little bit about each artist, we play their music, we play 10 artists an episode in general.

00:37:49.980 –> 00:38:02.540
BREE NOBLE: We have a few like series that are theme based, we each had the love song for Valentine’s, which is super popular, and we’re coming up on the Celebrating Motherhood for Mother’s Day.

00:38:02.880 –> 00:38:11.840
BREE NOBLE: So we have those kinds of things that come up throughout the year, but one thing we have done is when we do this series, I’ve started creating a Spotify playlist for that.

00:38:12.680 –> 00:38:27.080
BREE NOBLE: So not for the regular episodes, but for the series, you know, we had 120 songs or whatever on the love song series, and they’re all love songs, so why not put them all on one playlist that people can listen to and enjoy?

00:38:27.100 –> 00:38:41.960
BREE NOBLE: And so that’s been really fun and popular because the artists like it, they get more plays on Spotify, they can promote it in different ways, besides, you know, people that are their fans, they’re not used to podcasts, they might be used to Spotify.

00:38:41.980 –> 00:38:50.960
ROBONZO: You probably know more about playlists than I do, and I can’t remember on Spotify.

00:38:55.620 –> 00:39:07.080
ROBONZO: If I wanted to create a themed playlist for The Unstarving Musician’s podcast, can I invite guests of the podcast to submit, say, web songs or whatever?

00:39:07.100 –> 00:39:13.340
ROBONZO: I seem to recall you can have a collaborator, but I don’t know if it can be an open contribution.

00:39:13.340 –> 00:39:16.360
BREE NOBLE: You can make a collaborative list.

00:39:17.040 –> 00:39:22.280
BREE NOBLE: I don’t do it that way because it leaves it up to them to do it, and a lot of times they don’t know how.

00:39:23.200 –> 00:39:32.580
BREE NOBLE: So I just go out and I ask for their Spotify link when they come on the podcast just so I can find them.

00:39:33.160 –> 00:39:38.460
BREE NOBLE: But usually I just go and search for their song, and I find them all and add them all to a playlist.

00:39:38.880 –> 00:39:50.660
BREE NOBLE: But you can create a collaborative playlist, and I’ve been on those too, and those can be kind of fun, but it’s a little bit weird when you have multiple people in control.

00:39:50.680 –> 00:39:55.660
BREE NOBLE: I think it’s always better to have one person as the master admin for something.

00:39:55.980 –> 00:39:58.200
ROBONZO: Sure, in my head, I was thinking, you know, how can I make it easy?

00:39:58.220 –> 00:40:02.060
ROBONZO: But I can see that I’ve never even asked that question.

00:40:02.080 –> 00:40:09.100
ROBONZO: But I find, you know, I’ll find people, but asking them to submit their Spotify link, just to kind of make sure I have it.

00:40:10.300 –> 00:40:15.140
BREE NOBLE: Right, yeah, what you can do is just make that part of your intake form for guests.

00:40:15.280 –> 00:40:19.160
BREE NOBLE: And then if you decide you want to use it later, I mean, their Spotify link doesn’t change.

00:40:19.800 –> 00:40:20.960
BREE NOBLE: You can always go find them.

00:40:21.580 –> 00:40:33.760
ROBONZO: And I love, you know, I was going to mention something for kind of a bit for my own benefit, but hopefully for musicians who are listening, who either podcast already or think maybe they will in the future.

00:40:33.780 –> 00:40:44.460
ROBONZO: But because we were talking about guests, and I really need to put together a, I forget what you called it, like a submission, something.

00:40:44.480 –> 00:40:44.820
BREE NOBLE: Uh-huh.

00:40:45.780 –> 00:40:51.160
BREE NOBLE: Like a Google Doc or something that people can, I mean not a Google Doc, a Google Form.

00:40:51.180 –> 00:40:54.820
ROBONZO: Or just an announce here on the podcast, which I’m doing right now if you’re listening.

00:40:54.900 –> 00:41:06.200
ROBONZO: If you’re an independent artist, I’ll tell you what you can do right now, is just go to unstarvingmusician.com and scroll to the bottom of the page, and there’s a contact form and my contact information there.

00:41:07.960 –> 00:41:11.040
ROBONZO: Let me know you’re interested, and send me links to your stuff.

00:41:11.260 –> 00:41:23.160
ROBONZO: And please know not everybody’s a fit at a given point in time, but maybe they are later, and I appreciate your submissions regardless, but you might be the perfect fit.

00:41:24.580 –> 00:41:35.860
BREE NOBLE: You could set up a Google form or a type form, and just link it to something like unstarvingartist.com/guest or something like that, and tell people to go there, and then they could just fill out the intake form.

00:41:35.860 –> 00:41:36.980
ROBONZO: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:37.740 –> 00:41:40.140
ROBONZO: I will do that, and then I’ll erase the part I just said.

00:41:40.160 –> 00:41:43.340
BREE NOBLE: There you go.

00:41:43.460 –> 00:41:44.540
ROBONZO: Do you ever talk to…

00:41:45.860 –> 00:41:50.300
ROBONZO: Something else I thought I wanted to ask before we started talking, but do you…

00:41:51.500 –> 00:41:53.580
ROBONZO: You do have an interview podcast, right?

00:41:54.480 –> 00:41:55.120
ROBONZO: Do I remember that?

00:41:57.380 –> 00:41:58.740
ROBONZO: How frequently does that publish?

00:42:01.300 –> 00:42:02.940
BREE NOBLE: It was publishing once a week.

00:42:02.960 –> 00:42:15.640
BREE NOBLE: I actually took a break at the end of the year, probably because I was overloaded with my book, and I also felt like I want to save up my interview mojo for the great interviews on the Stomach.

00:42:16.220 –> 00:42:31.480
BREE NOBLE: So I stopped publishing that on a weekly basis, but generally what I’m going to be doing is publishing a little bit more teaching things, like short teaching episodes, and they’ll probably also be on YouTube, that kind of thing.

00:42:31.820 –> 00:42:35.820
ROBONZO: And those will be solo, just you, or that will be with the guest also?

00:42:36.180 –> 00:42:45.200
BREE NOBLE: I think it might be a mix, you know, but seriously though, we have 183 episodes or something up there.

00:42:45.720 –> 00:42:51.380
BREE NOBLE: So it’s like people have so much that they haven’t even gone through yet that’s already there.

00:42:51.380 –> 00:42:55.560
BREE NOBLE: So I haven’t even had people going, hey, how come you don’t have any new episodes?

00:42:55.580 –> 00:43:09.420
BREE NOBLE: Because the way our website is organized, they can just go on there and be like, what do I want to learn about under the podcast and just choose income streams or house concerts or whatever, and it takes them to all the relevant episodes.

00:43:09.440 –> 00:43:13.500
BREE NOBLE: So it’s almost like they don’t realize that we haven’t published for a few months.

00:43:14.680 –> 00:43:15.180
ROBONZO: That’s cool.

00:43:15.760 –> 00:43:28.900
ROBONZO: I know, you know, I was, well, I know the reality is that my listeners aren’t necessarily chomping at the bit for the Friday morning alert from whatever their podcatcher is for the next episode.

00:43:28.920 –> 00:43:37.740
ROBONZO: So I’m sure there’s a few out there, but yeah, I get hung up on the hell or high water this weekly episode’s coming out.

00:43:38.260 –> 00:43:41.500
BREE NOBLE: I got that way too, and finally I just had to get over it.

00:43:41.740 –> 00:43:55.460
BREE NOBLE: It’s like I’m putting my own extreme expectations on myself, and I can only do so many things in life, and I need to focus on the things that I think are going to be the most beneficial, and for me right now, it’s the summit.

00:43:55.520 –> 00:43:57.020
BREE NOBLE: So I definitely had to make a choice.

00:43:57.260 –> 00:44:11.420
ROBONZO: Yeah, I wonder, I need to find out from my publisher if I can go back and seasonalize my first one, because for me, I don’t know if you made your female entrepreneur musician, right?

00:44:11.880 –> 00:44:15.200
ROBONZO: I don’t know if you made that a seasonal podcast.

00:44:15.220 –> 00:44:15.700
BREE NOBLE: I didn’t.

00:44:15.820 –> 00:44:17.360
ROBONZO: Which kind of makes it natural to make a break.

00:44:17.380 –> 00:44:21.400
BREE NOBLE: I started in 2015, which I don’t even think people were doing seasons in 2015.

00:44:21.420 –> 00:44:23.120
ROBONZO: That’s probably right.

00:44:23.540 –> 00:44:25.080
ROBONZO: Well, I guess it depends on the platform.

00:44:25.380 –> 00:44:26.900
ROBONZO: Not everybody even acknowledges those.

00:44:26.920 –> 00:44:29.520
ROBONZO: But if you do do it that way…

00:44:29.700 –> 00:44:33.200
BREE NOBLE: Well, iTunes wasn’t really set up for that back then.

00:44:33.220 –> 00:44:33.760
BREE NOBLE: They are now.

00:44:35.400 –> 00:44:38.200
ROBONZO: Anyway, for me, it kind of gives a natural reason to do a break.

00:44:38.880 –> 00:44:40.840
ROBONZO: But I didn’t do that with The Unstarving Musician.

00:44:41.120 –> 00:44:42.680
ROBONZO: Maybe I’ll see if I can back…

00:44:43.800 –> 00:44:45.440
ROBONZO: What do you call it?

00:44:45.460 –> 00:44:48.300
ROBONZO: A bulk, change them so that it’s season one.

00:44:48.900 –> 00:44:49.360
ROBONZO: That’s cool.

00:44:50.460 –> 00:44:51.720
ROBONZO: Why did I ask that question?

00:44:54.440 –> 00:44:57.300
ROBONZO: It’s gone.

00:44:57.520 –> 00:44:58.520
ROBONZO: Do you ever ask…

00:44:58.540 –> 00:44:59.200
ROBONZO: Oh, I know why.

00:44:59.220 –> 00:45:01.260
ROBONZO: Because it was related to these questions.

00:45:01.280 –> 00:45:06.600
ROBONZO: I was curious to know if you ever talked about it with your female entrepreneur musician podcast guests.

00:45:06.900 –> 00:45:08.480
ROBONZO: Do you ever ask about…

00:45:08.500 –> 00:45:10.780
ROBONZO: Let me find a topic here.

00:45:10.800 –> 00:45:11.520
ROBONZO: Hold on.

00:45:11.540 –> 00:45:13.180
ROBONZO: We’re getting close to our time.

00:45:15.800 –> 00:45:20.600
ROBONZO: Do you talk about things like music release strategies?

00:45:23.720 –> 00:45:35.200
BREE NOBLE: You know, I mean, I do, but I’ve definitely talked about that on the podcast, and I definitely talk to, when I have guests, about how they did it.

00:45:35.660 –> 00:45:47.140
BREE NOBLE: You know, whether they’re using crowdfunding, or, you know, whether they’re using Spotify Presave, or, you know, something like that to really draw attention to their release.

00:45:47.160 –> 00:45:51.280
BREE NOBLE: But I think it’s a really important subject, especially now.

00:45:51.300 –> 00:46:04.400
BREE NOBLE: We definitely talk about needing to make as much to do about anything you release as possible, so I don’t recommend people just release a whole album.

00:46:04.540 –> 00:46:09.360
BREE NOBLE: I want them to release, you know, singles from it first.

00:46:11.200 –> 00:46:19.860
BREE NOBLE: And that, because, you know, each thing that you do is going to give you more ability to promote that thing.

00:46:19.880 –> 00:46:25.240
BREE NOBLE: You know, you just want opportunities to promote where you don’t feel like you’re promoting the same thing constantly.

00:46:25.800 –> 00:46:26.160
ROBONZO: Sure.

00:46:26.940 –> 00:46:31.520
ROBONZO: Do you talk, do you ask about their creative processes?

00:46:35.020 –> 00:46:35.680
BREE NOBLE: Definitely.

00:46:35.700 –> 00:46:44.120
BREE NOBLE: I mean, I had somebody on that was, she does, like, music through artificial intelligence, which was pretty interesting.

00:46:46.680 –> 00:46:53.880
BREE NOBLE: But of course, we’re a business-related show, so it’s a little less about the creative process, but that definitely comes up, for sure.

00:46:54.100 –> 00:46:55.460
ROBONZO: Okay, yeah, that’s a good perspective.

00:46:55.840 –> 00:46:57.120
ROBONZO: Yeah, just curious.

00:46:58.220 –> 00:47:01.600
ROBONZO: I was, you know, kind of, it wasn’t a great way to do it.

00:47:01.620 –> 00:47:05.300
ROBONZO: I was kind of fishing for, like, you know, I talk about these things sometimes.

00:47:05.320 –> 00:47:06.820
ROBONZO: Should I talk about them more?

00:47:09.060 –> 00:47:11.480
ROBONZO: I should listen to your podcast, see what kinds of things you talk about.

00:47:12.420 –> 00:47:17.300
BREE NOBLE: Well, I think it’s just, you know, it’s where you want to go with your podcast.

00:47:17.320 –> 00:47:29.940
BREE NOBLE: I mean, The Unstarving Artist, like, it could be a business-related show, an income-related show, or it could be just about making better music so you can make more money from it because you’re creating quality.

00:47:31.240 –> 00:47:35.660
ROBONZO: You know, that’s a nice suggestion for niching it a little further.

00:47:35.780 –> 00:47:48.420
ROBONZO: What it has become is conversations with indie artists, for indie artists to help them be better at all the things that help them make more music, which encompasses a lot of things, right?

00:47:49.600 –> 00:47:49.920
BREE NOBLE: Right.

00:47:49.940 –> 00:47:55.240
ROBONZO: So obviously, I want to always ask better questions, and topics are certainly…

00:47:57.300 –> 00:48:00.560
ROBONZO: They’ve been evolving, as I learned from them.

00:48:01.940 –> 00:48:08.840
ROBONZO: And sometimes somebody just mentions something at random I had never thought of, so we’ll dig into that.

00:48:09.320 –> 00:48:10.600
ROBONZO: But yeah, that’s a good suggestion.

00:48:10.620 –> 00:48:10.800
BREE NOBLE: Yep.

00:48:10.820 –> 00:48:12.500
BREE NOBLE: That’s what’s fun about podcasts.

00:48:12.520 –> 00:48:14.540
BREE NOBLE: It’s wherever the conversation takes you.

00:48:15.380 –> 00:48:26.220
ROBONZO: So BREE NOBLE, you so kindly are including me among your partner affiliates for the Profitable Musician Summit, and for anybody who has no idea what I’m talking about.

00:48:26.880 –> 00:48:46.640
ROBONZO: That means, like with last year, BREE NOBLE lets me be someone who puts links to, provides information about the Profitable Musician Summit 2019 on my website and talk about it here on the podcast.

00:48:46.660 –> 00:49:08.300
ROBONZO: And if you guys check it out and decide to sign up and make purchases of certain types, and in this case I guess I was keeping it simple, enroll in the paid version of the summit, that BREE NOBLE pays me a small commission, which is really nice, helps support the podcast.

00:49:09.680 –> 00:49:13.760
ROBONZO: And so yeah, I appreciate you including me in that again.

00:49:13.780 –> 00:49:26.740
ROBONZO: So there will of course be links to the summit and all the other cool stuff that BREE NOBLE has been doing and continues to do in the book, in the show notes.

00:49:26.760 –> 00:49:42.680
BREE NOBLE: You know, it’s cool that you mentioned affiliates because actually one of our speakers, Randy and Jason from Make Money With Music, they have something like 300 and some odd income streams that they’ve identified from musicians.

00:49:42.680 –> 00:49:50.480
BREE NOBLE: And one of the ones that they talk about on the summit is about being an affiliate for products and services that you like.

00:49:51.600 –> 00:50:05.220
BREE NOBLE: So you guys come to the summit and you can learn about how to do this for all the things that you like, whether it’s your favorite guitar, your favorite store, your favorite coffee, whatever it is.

00:50:05.240 –> 00:50:14.620
BREE NOBLE: You’ve got fans on your email list, and they like to know what it is that you like to, what instruments you like to play and where you like to shop and stuff like that.

00:50:15.300 –> 00:50:20.000
BREE NOBLE: And you can absolutely get some affiliate commissions for that.

00:50:20.980 –> 00:50:37.320
ROBONZO: Yeah, and I guess I would add to that, be sure to also tune in to the topics that are related to building your email list and if there are also topics on building your web traffic, because the…

00:50:37.840 –> 00:50:38.800
BREE NOBLE: Oh, there is.

00:50:39.340 –> 00:50:46.020
BREE NOBLE: We have a search engine optimization for musicians talk on the first day with Greg Wilnau.

00:50:46.840 –> 00:50:48.960
BREE NOBLE: And he’s like a master at that.

00:50:48.960 –> 00:50:56.780
BREE NOBLE: So, I mean, that’s his whole other business is helping bigger businesses than musicians with this.

00:50:56.980 –> 00:50:59.260
BREE NOBLE: So, with the search engine optimization.

00:50:59.720 –> 00:51:00.260
ROBONZO: That’s cool.

00:51:00.480 –> 00:51:00.680
ROBONZO: Yeah.

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ROBONZO: And for what it’s worth, I think it’s really important to note that signing up to be an affiliate for a number of things before you’ve built a substantial amount of quality content and some web traffic and some email subscribers, it is a cart before the horse kind of thing or a backwards way to approach it.

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ROBONZO: So you definitely want to check out the things surrounding that.

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BREE NOBLE: Wow.

00:51:30.800 –> 00:51:34.040
ROBONZO: Sounds like you’ve got them completely covered at the same time.

00:51:34.060 –> 00:51:35.060
BREE NOBLE: I feel like we do.

00:51:35.900 –> 00:51:36.340
ROBONZO: That’s cool.

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ROBONZO: I look forward to checking it out.

00:51:38.060 –> 00:51:39.220
ROBONZO: Yeah, I look forward to checking it out.

00:51:39.240 –> 00:51:42.100
ROBONZO: And thank you again so much for spending time with me today.

00:51:42.160 –> 00:51:47.820
ROBONZO: And it’s morning for both of us, so I guess I get to say have a wonderful Friday.

00:51:47.840 –> 00:51:49.300
ROBONZO: You have pretty much most of it ahead of you.

00:51:50.380 –> 00:51:51.780
BREE NOBLE: Yay, I will.

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ROBONZO: Thanks, BREE NOBLE.

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ROBONZO: I will talk to you very soon.

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